Jess Abbott returns for some slightly contentious debate with Sam & Martin around the “bros before hags” sentiment of this song. With some strong language in our interval track and the associated sentiments between children and parents, we talk about family and the ways they interact once children have grown up.

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Music extracts used for illustrative/review purposes include:
Frank's Song, The Early Years vol 1, Tom Waits (1991)

Bloody Mother Fucking Asshole, Martha Wainwright, Martha Wainwright (2005)

I'd Rather Be Lonely, History, Loudon Wainwright III (1992)

Loudon Wainwright, Martha Wainwright, Lucy Wainwright Roche, Screaming Issue @ Noel Nights NYC, via YouTube (2018)

You Never Phone You Never Write - Loudon and Martha Duet (with relevant preamble) @ Jazz Club Camden London, via YouTube (2010)

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